Singing Potatoes
Friday, 4 October 2002
Upon shooting oneself in the foot

I rarely post on them, but I do read a number of SCA mailing lists once in a while. Sometimes I just have to shake my head at what I read.

For example, there's this one guy who's made no secret about the fact that he wants to be a Laurel (indeed, he's waxed eloquent upon how there's nothing wrong in saying that he wants to be a Peer). Recently, he's been bragging about how he slammed Duke Cariadoc (a well-respected long-time SCA Laurel) and cast aspersions upon the West Kingdom Laurelate.

Not bright. So many people in the SCA — well, at least in Trimaris — seem to have the misconception that it's just skill at fighting or the arts, or sheer number of events autocratted, that counts towards a Peerage. And then they go out and act like absolute jerks, apparently unaware that there are other requirements in Society law, such as "They shall have set an example of courteous and noble behavior suitable to a peer of the realm."

I can't speak for the Knights or the Pelicans, but the Laurels do pay attention to that sort of thing — sometimes too much, as in "He was rude to me seventeen years ago, and he still hasn't apologized!" So going around bragging about being rude — to a venerable Laurel, no less — is hardly the way to assure oneself a place amongst the Order.

Of course, there are some people who have been elevated to Peerages without having been exemplary in courtesy and nobility, and some Peers who feel they no longer need to act thus, but that's a whole different can of worms.

Posted by godfrey (link)
Comments
Very nicely put;
Robert Heinlein mentioned once that a rude society is not only sick, it is heading for destruction. Peerages by their very nature should be looking for people who not only show prowess in their particular skill but can demonstrate the higher ideals of the SCA. Discovering a peer is an imperfect task to be sure and there will be those who occasionally do not live up to whatever standards are set in the various peerage orders.

I have often thought that the act of wanting to be a peer almost disqualifies one from becoming one. This is probably the other extreme from the gentlemen you were describing and I have actually been “corrected” by several members of the various peerage orders for thinking in this way. I can see their point, goals are very important and one is not likely to achieve something which they to not consciously desire.

An overt desire for membership in a peerage order, to the point where a candidate becomes rude about seems very counterproductive. It’s my understanding (and not speaking for any of the voting orders) that such behavior is very much taken into account, perhaps too much at times. I think that a voting order reflects it’s members, good and bad. It behooves such a group to be discerning when voting in new candidate.

It’s also my understanding that, flawed as Trimaris is in some things, we seem to be even *more* discerning than in many other branches – at least sometimes.

L

To the Laurels (and I don't believe I'm giving away any secrets here; it's all in our Charter, which in theory may be read by anyone — though the Laurel Secretary hasn't gone out of his way to make it accessible by, say, putting it on the Trimaris Web site), wanting to be a Laurel is fine. It can even be a positive thing — for example, when someone changes his behavior in a conscious effort to fulfill the requirements in Corpora for a candidate to a Peerage order (and hopefully, he or she won't stop behaving that way once the medallion is bestowed).

However, saying that one deserves to be a Laurel is grounds for immediate disqualification from consideration. That may seem harsh, but (in my opinion) the best Peers are the ones who constantly strive to ensure that they remain worthy of having been recognized. The worst ones (again, in my opinion) are the ones who proclaim their deservedness — because they usually seem to feel that no further effort on their part is ever required.

Personally, I think the whole candidacy process is greatly flawed, but that's a Norseman of a different color.