I'll Say She Is!
Monday, 15 September 2003
Here's what he said

The professor wrote back. Here, in part, is what he said - I don't think he would mind me posting this.

Thank you very much for your post. I am honored that you would trust me with such a concern in your life...This past spring I helped an undergraduate apply for graduate schools in English literature, and she did wind up going to a terminal MA program from which she may be able to transfer to a PhD program, though she may also exercise the option at the end of the two years of seeking another profession. In the process of her very extensive and assiduous researches of Graduate Schools, she came across a website, which I myself never saw, that contained, she told me, a boldface statement to the effect that the visitor probably should not consider going to graduate school at this time in history because the opportunities are almost nil...At this time, I systematically warn all students who approach me for advice about graduate school about the gravity, indeed the peril, of the academic profession at this moment in American history when the public universities are sinking rapidly within state debt and private universities, many of them, are beginning to cost $40,000 a year for an undergraduate education. The fact of the matter is, realistically speaking, that, yes, you can with sufficient energy and grit return to graduate school--there is a positive response, however qualified, to each question you ask me. But the larger question, which is unavoidable, is simply, is it worth it?...I'm an educator, a teacher, not someone who takes any pleasure whatsoever in what I have just written to you. I truly wish that matters were otherwise. I'm also a man who aspires to be ethical, however. Therefore, as I have already said, I tell every student who approaches me what I have just told you. If, after reading my position, you're still interested in pursuing your questions with me, I will try to answer them in as much detail as I can when I return..

Scary, but I value his honesty.

Posted by ginevra (link)
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An honest, thoughtful response. Sounds like the sort of person we all wish we knew more of, eh?
$40,000 a year? That's a screaming bargain in California! The University of Southern California charges $120,000 for an undergrad education (USC is a private institution, granted). At UC Santa Cruz, I was looking at a $30-$40,000 price tag to finish my undergrad degree in two years, and that was before the education system tanked even further (UCSC is widely regarded as one of the cheapest UC schools in the system. Berkeley is the priciest, followed by UCLA, at around the same rate as USC).

But here's another idea... It may seem more far fetched, of course... I have a friend who did a one year masters program in England for around $20,000. Aparently, it's cheap to get a graduate degree in England, particularly in a one year intensive program. I know that's not an option for everyone, but it's still an option.
Sarah, the prof did say $40k per year, not total.

As a someone with an education degree, who isn't working as a teacher, I see merit in what he says, although I'm puzzled that he bases much of it on a website he's never seen. In education, there are jobs out there, just not always where you want them, or in the field you desire.
Ah. $40,000/year. That would make a lot more sense. ;)

I don't know, but I think he's insinuating that a masters won't get you much in the teaching world, not in the world in general. That's true. But if you're out there in the general work force, a masters does typically bring in a higher rate of pay.

Know what I think? I think you should go for what makes you happy. There are tons of grants and student loans available and interest rates are kick ass right now. If going back to school for your masters would make you happy, I say DO IT. Take it one day at a time and enjoy yourself. Worry about the job later.

Or, if the risks outweigh the desire for a graduate degree, there's a good indication that maybe right now isn't the best time.